Elementary 2x7

[killerweasel.livejournal.com]

Discussion post for Elementary 2x7 'The Marchioness'

Spoilers in the comments.

What did you think?

Comments

[darknessfactor.livejournal.com]

I'm still taking it in.

They certainly did say that we would learn something surprising about Watson, and, well, I was surprised.

(Is is strange that I was sorta hoping for it, though?)

Thought the ending scene between her and Mycroft was rather sweet, though.

[tazlet.livejournal.com]

I was rather delighted with -

- Sherlock wondering what he would have been if he had been born in a time before constant cacophony

- any reference to Silver Blaze

- we brought a restauranteur

- Gregson's hair is back to normal! (still too short, but I'll deal)

- Mycroft is possible

[elpin.livejournal.com]

I am in love with the Mycroft/Holmes relationship in this series. It is so well done, and relatable.

I was surprised about Watson, but then again not - I am very interested to see if this effects the show long-time.

The story wasn't that interesting. Horses? I guess I'm not an animal fan, so. But a good enough vehicle for the characters I guess. The Marchioness was a little too bitchy. I guess it's because we're meeting her after everything that happened, but she just seemed so obviously a gold-digger I can't believe Mycroft would be so blind. But love will do that to you, I guess, and he seemed to care despite everything.

[rap541.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure I like the redo from canon of Mycroft's character.

This is also probably the second case in a row where the actual mystery was a little overly complicated for the end result. I mean, she was essentially selling a fake stud, the drug cartel found out she screwed them, and hired a hit man. This is no where near season one's "someone fed me poison and we have to catch my killer before I die in 24 hours" quality.

On the other hand I loved the beginning at the AA meeting where Sherlock was being genuine and then was so openly horrified at the idea of Mycroft hearing him be vulnerable.

I wish they'd lose the weird buttoned up shirts on Sherlock tho. That look does nothing for me.

[p-for-polkadots.livejournal.com]

I liked it and I'm glad that the episodes seem to be getting stronger again.

+ The interactions between Sherlock & Mycroft (very strong lil bro/big bro vibe) and Joan & Mycroft were intriguing and lovely.
+ Seeing Sherlock so open with his little AA meeting speech was a nice touch.
+ Overall much better constructed and paced than the last two episodes.
+ Joan's first outfit and that white coat were awesome. I enjoy her wardrobe a lot in general, and I can't say that about many TV characters.

+/- I'm not sure, if I like this Mycroft as a Mycroft, but I do like him as a character.
+/- I'm also not sure what to think about the 'big revelation' of Joan and Mycroft doing the nasty. Maybe it will actually have a point plotwise in future episodes, but at the moment I don't see it.

- The case was boring. I was disappointed that they didn't even try to involve the original solution (or major plot points, really), which would have made it much more interesting. Why the name dropping without any substance behind it? I mean, the Milverton episode was maybe not an adaptation in the strictest sense, but there were similarities.
- They could have done a lot more with this triangle of Mycroft/Sherlock/marchioness (forgot her name, unfortunately), but she was mostly absent, so I'm a bit confused why they built that up in the first place.

[ponygirl72.livejournal.com]

My thoughts:

1) Joan has excellent taste. You go girl!

2) The case was utter and complete rot from start to finish. And I say that as a former professional horse breeder. But...

3) ... I don't care, because I love the dynamic between Sherlock, Joan, and Mycroft so much.

Elementary has become the show that I don't want to admit to people that I like. Is this how people who watch soap operas feel? :-(

[unovis.livejournal.com]

That was both very appealing and very annoying.
I love these characters, whoever they're supposed to be. I love the reappearance of Mycroft and his steady attempts at rapprochement with his brother.

I loved Sherlock's statement that he felt born out of his time (wink, wink). But too many things in this episode seemed to rely on Sherlock being unobservant.

I loved the final conversation between the brothers. I am always impressed with Sherlock's manners, when he produces them, particularly in his response to his brother's "spot of leukemia."

But I keep choking on the big deal of the episode. I can't believe Joan would have been so careless of her relationship with Sherlock as to have sex with Mycroft on that London trip. Where and when did it happen? Were they both casual enough to do it under Sherlock's nose, in 221-B?

Are we supposed to believe Joan was that rash? She just met this man; she may have found him enormously appealing, and Sherlock's brother, and Mycroft may well have actively tried to seduce her with revenge tucked away in the back of his mind--we don't really know him--but she knows Sherlock intimately. She's in an important partnership with him, personal and professional, and she knows how fraught the relationship between the brothers is. She knows it would be upsetting to Sherlock to the point that she kept it from him, though he's read her sexual activity easily enough before. What did she think he would do when he found out? Would she risk so much on a one night stand? I could better believe her entering a relationship with Mycroft, clandestine or not, after time and thought. I'm not against the pairing, but I find the way it was scripted rather a cheap trick.
I could believe that she lied to Sherlock that they had had sex, but I think we're meant to take it seriously.

[rap541.livejournal.com]

I have to admit, part of my problem with her having sex with Mycroft is exactly what you've outlined. I could see her eventually getting there - having sex with Mycroft - but not almost immediately. It just seems out of character for Joan, who isn't, on the surface, a particularly impulsive person.

I'm not against the pairing either, although I am not taken with Mycroft at all, but it needs a better set up.

I also wonder why we haven't seen Mrs. Hudson.