Elementary 1x12

[killerweasel.livejournal.com]

Discussion post for Elementary 112 - 'M.'

Spoilers in the comments.

What did you think?

Comments

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

Quite honestly, I'm not really pleased with the episode. :/

[venusinthenight]

Why?

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

It was pretty devoid of all the little Joan and Sherlock interactions and domestic moments that sold me on the show. Annnnd, I think this is a realllllly clunky way to introduce Moriarty (especially as the Villain Who Killed My One True Love).

[fenm.livejournal.com]

I so wanted Irene Adler to be something, ANYTHING other than a love interest.. A police officer or fellow detective whose death Sherlock feels responsible for. Or a... I don't know, but something other than, "Wah, my girlfriend died!". Because I don't care about that as a motive. I don't care about Irene as a girlfriend. This is going to be the plot arc for at least the rest of the season, and I don't give a shit about it.

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

Like, I think Irene as Love Interest can be saved, but IDK if I have that much faith in the writers. Like, it could be that Sherlock calls Irene his girlfriend, but really they also had a not-quite relationship like he does with Joan. Or, or... yeah, I just feel like it could be saved, but my faith in popular media isn't that great.

"Wah, my girlfriend died!". Because I don't care about that as a motive.
This! They fridge (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WomenInRefrigerators) Irene? Seriously? It's hard to swallow because Elementary's done so well in regards to women.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Like, I think Irene as Love Interest can be saved,

Yeah, see to me the very premise is just flat out DO NOT WANT. So... yeah.

This! They fridge Irene?

I don't think she's dead, frankly. Of course, it's still using the (supposed) death of a female character to advance a man's story arc. Hmm... is it still "fridging" if the character's not actually dead?

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

I'm hoping she's alive, but until she's canonically alive, I'm going to assume the worst because TV tends to do that.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Hee... fair enough.

[x-reggg.livejournal.com]

my personal headcanon is that sherlock was infatuated with irene in a possible dom/sub relationship (might have taken that from the other series, but elementary!sherlock feels more like a sub than bbc!sherlock who feels more like a dom) but she didn't reciprocate and faked her death to get away from sherlock.

starting to doubt the writers will make it that twisted tho...

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

infatuated with irene in a possible dom/sub relationship
Oooh, I'd be down for this. Especially if it's treated better than BBC verse. Otherwise I think it's going to be too similar to BBC verse.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Especially if it's treated better than BBC verse.

That wouldn't be very hard...

I agree, though, given BBC!Irene's profession, I think they might want to steer clear of having D/s be a part of the Sherlock/Irene relationship for this show.

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

Even if Irene isn't a Dom there's the possibility for an actual TV relationship that isn't the cookie-cutter stuff we usually see (as in, negotiating partners' various needs and possibly open relationship?). Buuuut, I'm not holding my breath.