Elementary 1x12

[killerweasel.livejournal.com]

Discussion post for Elementary 112 - 'M.'

Spoilers in the comments.

What did you think?

Comments

[killerweasel.livejournal.com]

I knew 'M.' was going to be Sebastain Moran. All the clues were there. Figures he'd be an Arsonal fan. Military, hitman, works for a criminal mastermind...

MORIARTY.

Joan's going to stick around. Huzzah!

And we got to see the bees again. Plus Sherlock's 'homeless' network.

[venusinthenight]

Bees! Baker Street Brownstone Irregulars! Moran! Joan's going to stay!

Such an amazing episode.

Hate that there's going to be a three-week break now, though. :( Oh well.

[wolfinred.livejournal.com]

Agree with this post.

I didn't know there was going to be a three-week break! I'm glad I'm prepared now. Do you know why?

[venusinthenight]

Probably to spread things out, as we're at the halfway point in the first season. (12 down, 12 to go.)

But then I remember we're going to get three episodes very close together after the break. (January 31, February 3 (post-Super Bowl!), February 7.)

[wolfinred.livejournal.com]

Ahh, this did feel very much like a mid-season finale, so that makes sense as it is... the middle of the season.

[lordshiva.livejournal.com]

Three Weeks! NOOOOO!!!

[princealia.livejournal.com]

They finally started the Holmes/Moriarty dynamic.

I'm dying.

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

Quite honestly, I'm not really pleased with the episode. :/

[venusinthenight]

Why?

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

It was pretty devoid of all the little Joan and Sherlock interactions and domestic moments that sold me on the show. Annnnd, I think this is a realllllly clunky way to introduce Moriarty (especially as the Villain Who Killed My One True Love).

[fenm.livejournal.com]

I so wanted Irene Adler to be something, ANYTHING other than a love interest.. A police officer or fellow detective whose death Sherlock feels responsible for. Or a... I don't know, but something other than, "Wah, my girlfriend died!". Because I don't care about that as a motive. I don't care about Irene as a girlfriend. This is going to be the plot arc for at least the rest of the season, and I don't give a shit about it.

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

Like, I think Irene as Love Interest can be saved, but IDK if I have that much faith in the writers. Like, it could be that Sherlock calls Irene his girlfriend, but really they also had a not-quite relationship like he does with Joan. Or, or... yeah, I just feel like it could be saved, but my faith in popular media isn't that great.

"Wah, my girlfriend died!". Because I don't care about that as a motive.
This! They fridge (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WomenInRefrigerators) Irene? Seriously? It's hard to swallow because Elementary's done so well in regards to women.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Like, I think Irene as Love Interest can be saved,

Yeah, see to me the very premise is just flat out DO NOT WANT. So... yeah.

This! They fridge Irene?

I don't think she's dead, frankly. Of course, it's still using the (supposed) death of a female character to advance a man's story arc. Hmm... is it still "fridging" if the character's not actually dead?

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

I'm hoping she's alive, but until she's canonically alive, I'm going to assume the worst because TV tends to do that.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Hee... fair enough.

[x-reggg.livejournal.com]

my personal headcanon is that sherlock was infatuated with irene in a possible dom/sub relationship (might have taken that from the other series, but elementary!sherlock feels more like a sub than bbc!sherlock who feels more like a dom) but she didn't reciprocate and faked her death to get away from sherlock.

starting to doubt the writers will make it that twisted tho...

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

infatuated with irene in a possible dom/sub relationship
Oooh, I'd be down for this. Especially if it's treated better than BBC verse. Otherwise I think it's going to be too similar to BBC verse.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Especially if it's treated better than BBC verse.

That wouldn't be very hard...

I agree, though, given BBC!Irene's profession, I think they might want to steer clear of having D/s be a part of the Sherlock/Irene relationship for this show.

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

Even if Irene isn't a Dom there's the possibility for an actual TV relationship that isn't the cookie-cutter stuff we usually see (as in, negotiating partners' various needs and possibly open relationship?). Buuuut, I'm not holding my breath.

[mantriddrone.livejournal.com]

its plain "Arsenal" and not "The Arsenal".

the writers need to research the names of English sporting teams a little harder

[moonspinner.livejournal.com]

Some fans do call it the Arsenal.

I'm just pissed that now everyone will think that all Gunners fans are serial killers. :/

[mantriddrone.livejournal.com]

they DO kill the concept of football each and every week.

[kitmerlot1213.livejournal.com]

I know I'm a little late but I love how this show takes canon and sets it on it's head. Moran's still working for Moriarty but not as his right hand or sharpshooter but as a hired killer Moriarty has no problem sacrificing.

I am however afraid that Irene is in fact alive and now we have to wonder if Moriarty faked her death to drive Sherlock insane of if Irene faked her own death.

I do like Joan's staying but what will Sherlock say when he learns that she's staying on her own violation?

I would also love to see a Mary Morstan-esque person show up to help decipher the code Moran/Moriarty used in their texts.

[eswnrtm.livejournal.com]

THIS EPISODE!!!

It was so good. Joan decided to stay! How is she gonna live without any salary? Can't wait to see Sherlock's face when he finds out.

[nagasasu.livejournal.com]

How is she gonna live without any salary?
This was exactly the first thing that came to mind! XD

[marienomad.livejournal.com]

I'm sure that Watson will think of something. Heh, Holmes might ask her the same question and pondered if she had went into doing the world's oldest profession.

[sakuraberries]

How is she gonna live without any salary?

I came here to say exactly that, lol. Then again, she doesn't pay rent since she lives with Sherlock and he probably pays for part of groceries/food. Plus Joan seems like the cautious type so I'd guess she has money saved up from her days as a surgeon, so I guess she'll live frugally off that for now?

[justintm.livejournal.com]

[sakuraberries]

I was really hoping the companion dynamic would be out of the way by now. It's an incredibly annoying device meant to keep the viewer...I dunno, anxious? But the show is built around the Joan/Sherlock dynamic, so we know it's not going anywhere, which makes this whole thing really stupid. What I want Joan to do is ask Gregson for a favor so she can take the police exam as soon as possible and begin to build a career as a cop. Though, now that I think about it, that would stall the show, since she's have to be in uniform for at least three years before being promoted to detective.

I wonder what the writers are going to do to resolve this companion dilemma. Unless they plan to keep Sherlock teetering on the edge forever in regards to his mental health, though now that Joan is staying of her own volition it's a different dynamic, which makes me think that there's a plan, because the easy thing to do would have been to have Sherlock's father agree to Joan's extension.

[st-ekaterina.livejournal.com]

amazing episode)) so tangled and exciting! i was so sure that M is Moran, not Moriarty, and i'm so happy i was right))
this three weeks break for the next episode is realy smart move(( we all gonna get crazy while waiting of course, but it will be perfect condition to enjoy new episode))

speaking of "companion situation" - i am quite sure that "Holmes's dad" don't really exist, Watson was invited by Sherlock or Mycroft may be and now she is doing exactly what her employer wants (whoever he is of those two)

[marienomad.livejournal.com]

I loved this episode. Holmes was so serious that it's scary. In previous episodes, he would be all fidgety but in this one, he was all still and would appear out of nowhere. Moran is interesting as well. He is angry and has a ruthless side to himself but he could control himself.

[midori-yee.livejournal.com]

I am so glad they went dark this epsiode--OH MY GOD, Jonny Lee Miller's acting chops HNGGGHHHH!!!! Effing amazing. It takes a skilled actor to convincingly portray the evil/good duality in one character. ahhh.

[rabidsamfan.livejournal.com]

Finally got a chance to catch up on the episodes, and I'm not sure I'm thrilled with the introduction of Moriarty. Not unless it turns out that there actually is a connection between all the murders, anyway. I want Moriarty the criminal genius, not Moriarty the serial killer, thank you very much.

I'm okay with Irene being dead, and even with her being Holmes's One True Love, as it precludes him turning Watson into a romantic interest. He can continue to use prostitutes and experiments to relieve his tensions and I don't have to put up with the writers wanting to nudge the two characters together romantically. It is annoying on one level, but the only person who's ever gotten Irene right after ACD is Carole Nelson Douglas anyway.

[midori-yee.livejournal.com]

Yes, I'm thankful that Robert Doherty has no intention of turning Holmes/Watson into a romantic pairing. Their friendship is so much more interesting and it's growing stronger every week. Ugh, I just love it.

I, too, am glad that Irene is dead and I really hope that she actually is. No more plot twists, there, please. *yawn*

I'm a bit skeptical about Moriarty and really hope it's not a super-long story arc that lasts two seasons like it did for BBC Sherlock.

[justjuly4.livejournal.com]

Hello, I am new to the comm, but I've been watching Elementary since the pilot.

This last episode draws a new light at Irene Adler's story. As I got the impression, there was only her blood at the crime scene... A lot of blood but nobody mentioned the body or funeral. That probably means that she is not dead at all! She faked her death because she needed to vanish from Holmes' life. I think she lived a double life from the start: spied on Holmes for Moriarty. That means she might appear in future episodes. I hope so very much! Dead Love Interest is boring for plot development!

I liked how the writers handled Sebastian Moran's story. That was thrilling to watch.

And I liked the ending. Did you payed attention on the song playing when Holmes looks at Moriarty's name? I heard something like "Me and the Devil"? Very appropriate choice!

[honor-reid.livejournal.com]

Finally got a chance to watch the episode. Loved it! Miller did such an awesome job portraying Sherlocks pain. Really enjoyed the little moments between Watson and Sherlock how those two say so much without speaking, very well done. Moran was interesting in a very creepy way. I am more convinced now that Irene is alive especially since they never mentioned finding her body. Either she faked her death or Moriarty did. I so love the fact that Watson is staying even though she is no longer employed to do so.

I could go either way with Watson and Sherlock. If the writers keep them as friends that is fine, if they start to be more that is fine as well. Because lets face it even if they do decided to go the relationship route it will take forever anyway.

Very happy with how this show is turning out! :D